Regarding LGBT Rights

[Paolo Emilio I of Trebia]

Hello! I feel that a good debate could heat up the forums!

I suggest the topic of LGBT rights, any other topic could have another thread.

To begin, I provide this Wikipedia map of LGBT rights

Personally, my stance on LGBT rights is rather neutral. I believe that everyone can come to God, and despite homosexuality is a sin, and Jesus said it, I believe God still loves homosexuals, just as He loves me, even if I'm a sinner, and so with all of us.

This is why I don't believe I'm homophobic. However, homophobia is still a problem, mainly between evangelical sects such as Ku Klux Klan and the Westboro Baptist Church (both banned in Trebia due to their anti-catholic rethoric ) who still believe the absurdity that "God hates fags". I believe that KKK and WBC are both hate groups, because their hatred for gays can only be inspired by the Leviticus, yet they could still be found eating pork and tattooing themselves. Their hypocrisy makes me think they just have it with the LGBT community.

So, my stance on the LGBT issue is this:

1. Homosexuality is stated as a sin in the Bible
2. God loves all people no matter how much they sin
3. Therefore, God must love gays as well, and has a plan for them

So, I want Trebia to:

1. Recognize the same civil rights to homosexual people than to heterosexuals
2. However, I will not recognize same sex marriage and civil unions, in order to defend the sanctity and purpose of marriage (interracial allowed )
3. I will not allow LGBT people to adopt children either, because one's rights end where someone else's begins. I will not deny children the right to have the gender roles of a mother and a father


What do you think?

[Pan Kristoff Drevo]

I think that works better than other things I've heard.

[Paolo Emilio I of Trebia]

In fact, us Christians shouldn't be homophobic for the same reason we can eat pork and shellfish

[Sir Benedict]

I agree 100%. Unfortunately, many people attack this stance as "aggressive," "exclusive," "oppressive," "tyrannical," or "reactionary," even though we go out of our way to not be any of those things. If you disagree with them on anything, they think you're a horrible person. I guess there's just no pleasing progressive liberals.

[Pan Kristoff Drevo]

Ha, not really. The only way to please "progressive" liberals is to give them everythin' they want. But we should take a firm stand on the side of God and Truth. That's one reason why we're on this planet in the first place, after all.

[Paolo Emilio I of Trebia]

Indeed. Secularism has injured Western Civilization. I'm not saying we should impose our beliefs over other people, but to point to them as being true, so that non-Christians are free to decide if to convert, or to remain in their own beliefs, with us praying for God somehow have them in Heaven.

However, it's true, "liberal progressives" want us to surrender and accept their terms. And when their terms are to negate God, I'd rather die in noble Crusade before agreeing peace.

Luckily, "rrogressive liberals" as such, aren't really present in Panama, thank God, but they might be soon. The government is already letting underage criminals escape without punishment, and I think that is very "progressive". In fact, one reason I want to proclaim the Secession of Trebia in 2026 is our outrage for the actions of Panama's government, which is closer more to pure blinding corruption than to "liberalism". The government in Panama is simply too corrupt to work, be it for something useful or useless. The government will only become "progressive" if the people become "progressive" because they just want your loyalty to steal your tax money.

[Pan Kristoff Drevo]

Jun 4, 2015 23:33:52 GMT Paolo Emilio I of Trebia said:

And when their terms are to negate God, I'd rather die in noble Crusade before agreeing peace.
I'll die by your side, Paulus!