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Post by Sir Benedict on Jan 19, 2015 20:51:44 GMT
As we approach the anniversary of Roe v. Wade and the March for Life, this is as good a time as any to start this topic. In your micronations, what kind of pro-life legislation and activities do you have, if any?
In Quailia, the right to life is protected by Article 11 of our Constitution:
Also, I'm trying to get some of my citizens together on Thursday so we can have small pro-life rally in Capital District to stand in solidarity with the thousands of others who will be marching in the United States on the same day. As Catholics and as leaders of nations, I feel that it is our duty to stand for life and for the god given rights of the unborn.
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Post by Connor Stumperth I on Jan 20, 2015 1:34:38 GMT
Well, Mallanor isn't a new micronation, but I am just getting the government organized. As such, we don't actually have a Constitution or any laws yet, other than my Royal decrees that define the government. I assure you though, if any legislation comes to my attention that restricts the right to life, I will veto it to protect every human life.
As for the anniversary, a small group of members from my youth group are travelling to Washington, DC to participate in the march, and I would like all of us to keep them and the march as a whole in your prayers this week. I ask you to pray for their safety and that the march might have a positive impact on politics in the United States.
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Post by Pan Kristoff Drevo on Jan 20, 2015 17:58:25 GMT
I certainly will. I also have a cousin going to D.C., so I will keep all of them in my prayers.
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Post by Paolo Emilio I of Trebia on Feb 28, 2015 2:07:26 GMT
I want my posture for Trebia to be Pro-Life. But due to a good point given by my subjects, I will only allow abortion in case the Mother's or Fetus' life is endangered. No other form of abortion shall be permitted. Not even in case of Rape.
But, I justify Capital Punishment, as long as it is employed as punishment, and not for revenge.
"Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. " -Romans 13:1-14
I feel, because Genesis mentions the Creation, it should be taken in mind when debating about life. And check what Genesis says
"Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image." -Genesis 9:6
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Post by Pan Kristoff Drevo on Feb 28, 2015 17:00:01 GMT
Ever thought how that verse from Romans could discourage micronationalists?
What was that good point made by your citizens? I think, if the mother's or fetus' life is endangered the best thing you can do is get an experienced doctor and pray hard. Then, whatever happens is God's will, and it is not the place of Man to change it.
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Post by Sir Benedict on Feb 28, 2015 18:16:21 GMT
To my knowledge, the Church condemns abortion even if the mother's life is threatened.
I agree that there are times when it is morally permissible and even just to kill someone. However, if you are killing someone as "God's avenger," you must also apply God's mercy. Does God want to kill sinners? No, he wants them to live so that they may come to know Him and love Him. By exercising capital punishment, you assume the place of God by a) taking the criminal's life, which was a gift from God and rightly belongs to God, and b) condemning the criminal to hell if the criminal does not have a conversion of heart before his execution. For these reasons, in my opinion, capital punishment must be avoided, although I do recognize that there might be cases where it is necessary and justifiable.
Sorry if I come off as argumentative, I assure you I am genuinely interested in sharing my views and understanding yours.
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Post by Paolo Emilio I of Trebia on Mar 1, 2015 19:04:13 GMT
This point made by my citizens, is that when at least the mother's life is endangered, the agony of a dangerous pregnancy can cause pain and striations. However, as a Catholic that trusts science, I am already wondering about the solution of incubating fetuses outside the woman's wombs if it is not possible to host the baby inside the mother. I really hope for this to be possible in Trebia, otherwise, I don't know what another solution could be.
Regarding Capital Punishment, I'd only execute murderers, terrorists, and other severe crimes. I considered it for rapists, but if they leave their victim pregnant, they have to assume responsibility as father with the child they brought to this world. However, there will be an exception if the person is seen as too dangerous to raise a child (psychopath, dangerous criminal etc...). In that case, the victim may give the child in adoption.
Of course I wish to apply God's mercy. I'd give criminals one last chance to repent and confess their sins before being executed. It will be up to them if they are saved or no, and so, they may know God in their last moments.
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